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need help killing a rabbit with a nuclear bomb ;)
March 30, 2010, 08:16:03 pm
Hi everyone,

I'm the "resident techie" for my small town tennis club....we have about 80 members, with a few membership types (Junior, Adult, Family, etc).  Until now, we've kept track of our membership each year in an exceedingly simple Excel spreadsheet.  In that spreadsheet, we record basic information, how much they paid, which membership they had, emergency contact info, and that's about it.  Very simple stuff.

However, I figured that since we have a Joomla website, I figured I'd take advantage of that and try to find a way we could keep this information online rather than in an Excel file.  That's what brought me to CiviCRM....I couldn't really find any other software to do it.

Now, I've got CiviCRM installed, I've messed around in the back end of things, and I'm completely, utterly lost as to how to proceed :)  I have to confess that I'm a little confused and daunted by CiviCRM as a whole...I'm not even sure who this is designed to be used by!

All I want to do is set up the following:

1.  A data entry form on a webpage (likely a menu choice from our club's website), where authorized people from our club can enter new members when they submit a membership application form.  The form would just have basic info, gender, membership type, phone number, and so on.  It would keep track of our members for the current year.

2.  A way for the same authorized club people to search for members by things like name, phone number, or address, and then edit and save the member's information.  For instance, let's say they add a new member in the "new member" data entry form, and then a week later need to go find that person and indicate that they paid their membership fees with a cheque.  Or, at the beginning of next year, they need to remove a member who's not going to be renewing their membership.  Ideally, this form would also let us search past members...this would be very helpful if, say, a past member suddenly decided to renew with us....instead of re-inputting all his information, we could just "re-activate" him somehow.  That'd be neat.

3.  Simple reports, like how much money we made in membership fees; how many people there are for each of the five membership types we have; that sort of thing.  The reports are actually very low on the priority list...if I can get some reports set up, great, but if not, it's no big thing.  The big thing is tracking who's a member at our club, and keeping track of who's paid up.

4.  A way to email members who are "in the database" with news, upcoming events, and so on.

All of the above would need to be done via a FRONT-END page, not a back-end (the fact that I barely know what I'm doing here, and yet I'm the techie, should tell you how important it is to keep these folks away from the back-end admin area....)

That's all I need to do.  But I'm overwhelmed by the size and scale of CiviCRM, and not sure exactly where to start.  I've read through teh help, but all that served to do is confuse me even more :(  

Can someone just give me a shove in the right direction as to how to tackle this?  I'm sure it's fairly simple...CiviCRM seems designed to handle much, much larger organizations than our humble tennis club :)

Thank you!
« Last Edit: March 30, 2010, 08:19:11 pm by canadave »

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Re: need help killing a rabbit with a nuclear bomb ;)
March 30, 2010, 08:25:15 pm

might want to start reading the instruction manual first to orient you on what pieces you can potentially use :)

http://en.flossmanuals.net/CiviCRM

this should help you get started

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Re: need help killing a rabbit with a nuclear bomb ;)
March 30, 2010, 09:01:59 pm
Oh...is that the actual instruction manual?  I thought the wiki, which I looked through fairly extensively, was the manual.....well, that might explain a few things Lol!!

Thanks, I will go look :)

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Re: need help killing a rabbit with a nuclear bomb ;)
March 30, 2010, 09:42:01 pm
Okay, I'm back :)

After reading the instruction manual, I'm still confused.

Perhaps it would help if someone could just tell me--is CiviCRM able to let me set up front-end forms in Joomla that one of our tennis club officials can use to enter contacts, manage members, run reports, and so on?  From what I can see, and from what I've read, that sort of thing all seems to be taking place on the back-end of things, in the Joomla administrative area, under the CiviCRM component.  The front-end seems to be reserved for things like forms people can use to sign THEMSELVES up, rather than to have a club official do data entry of member information.  Or, am I just not understanding the concept here?


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Re: need help killing a rabbit with a nuclear bomb ;)
March 31, 2010, 07:18:12 am

No

for that sort of seperation,  our drupal integration is better since it has permissioning support and no seperation between front end and back end

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Re: need help killing a rabbit with a nuclear bomb ;)
March 31, 2010, 03:51:14 pm
Quote from: Donald Lobo on March 31, 2010, 07:18:12 am

No

for that sort of seperation,  our drupal integration is better since it has permissioning support and no seperation between front end and back end

lobo


Thank you, that worked very well! I've set up CiviCRM on a drupal site, and customized the look and feel of it to match our tennis club's website more or less.

After plugging away all day though, I'm getting a bit discouraged.  I'm just not sure how to do the thing that I'm imagining should be very simple to do.  I must be looking at this the wrong way.

For instance, I like the "New Individual" data entry form that's available from the "Contacts" menu, but I want to change a few fields--get rid of a couple, move some around, put them all in one "expand tab group" rather than have several tabs that need to be expanded.......that sort of thing.  But I can't figure out where I go to edit this form :(  I've looked everywhere.

I'm assuming it's somehow related to Profiles, but the overall concept of Profiles totally escapes me (yes, I've read and re-read the manual and wiki very carefully).  Is a Profile a collection of fields?  Is it a form?

I'm totally confused....all I want to do is create an add-member data entry form that lets me add members of our club and specify what level of membership they are (junior, adult, etc), and be able to search for those records afterward if need be.  I'm getting nowhere fast though :(

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Re: need help killing a rabbit with a nuclear bomb ;)
April 01, 2010, 02:08:31 am
You can copy profiles, or quite easily reproduce them by selecting the same fields. I'd suggest that for your users-editing-themselves profile you make a new profile and use that - even if it is largely a copy of another one. Its more flexible going forward, too.

Some of the core profiles can't be easily fiddled with. Also, where you have a profile that users can edit, note that the logging in CiviCRM isn't extensive (unless anyone can show me a history function I've missed). If a user changes their name you can't track back to find out what they did. You may not want people to have total freedom to edit their profile (e.g. we use two profiles for our site - one where they can see their data, and one where they can edit it, but I don't let them edit their name, as I want to keep track of our members and not have them move memberships around by changing their name).

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Re: need help killing a rabbit with a nuclear bomb ;)
April 01, 2010, 08:27:05 am
Hi EdP, thanks for your reply.

I think I may have left a mis-impression as to what I'm attempting to achieve.

Basically, our tennis club has about 80-100 members at any given time.  So far, we've tracked their phone number, contact info, membership type, and membership dues paid....all in an Excel file.  This of course is little better than the electronic equivalent of writing it on the back of a napkin :)

So what I'm trying to do is set up an online way via CiviCRM for ONE PERSON (the club secretary) to "manage" all our membership data:  i.e., enter new members; adjust phone numbers or membership types if those change for someone, run periodic reports showing how much revenue we have from our membership fees. Basically the idea is to just keep everyone's "record" straight in a single online database.

Note that the tennis club members THEMSELVES will NOT have online access to this database, or their own records, in the slightest.  This is going to be a back-end system that only the club secretary or her assistant can log into.  I was hoping it'd be easy...I thought I'd just load CiviCRM into a website, customize some fields from some pre-made forms, and it'd be easy to do.  But it seems to be harder than I'd originally envisioned.

I've actually made a LITTLE bit of progress since yesterday.  The CiviMember membership data entry screens are very close to what I was looking for.  I just have a few things left that I want to do, but can't figure out.  For instance:

1.  On the CiviMember membership data entry screen, there's a field where you select the Organization you want to assign to this membership.  Clearly, since we only have one organization (the tennis club), I would rather just delete that field from the form.  But I don't see where I can adjust the membership data entry screen to do that.  I take it, from your reply, that this is hard to do?  Would this involve directly editing a .TPL file?

2.  There's an option on that same membership data entry screen to create a new Individual, a new Household, or a new Organization.  There will be times I'll want to create a new Individual (for instance, a new members joins the tennis club).  But, the "new Individual" data entry screen is much less "elaborate" than the "New Individual" data entry screen under the "Contacts" menu.  So, I'm wondering how I can make that option choice from the membership data entry screen "load" the Contacts -> New Individual screen.

Those are the types of things I'm struggling with.  At least I'm further along though.....

I've tried to learn from the screencasts....all I can say is, it sure would be helpful if the screencasts didn't consist of someone simply reciting what's shown on the screen  ::)
« Last Edit: April 01, 2010, 08:29:58 am by canadave »

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Re: need help killing a rabbit with a nuclear bomb ;)
April 01, 2010, 03:09:17 pm
hey canadave - if you want to IM me we can probably have a quick skype chat/demo and i can probably get you over your learning bump quite quickly
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Re: need help killing a rabbit with a nuclear bomb ;)
April 01, 2010, 06:48:34 pm
Quote from: peterd on April 01, 2010, 03:09:17 pm
hey canadave - if you want to IM me we can probably have a quick skype chat/demo and i can probably get you over your learning bump quite quickly

Thank you so much, Peter!  I've sent you an IM.

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April 01, 2010, 08:45:34 pm
All good - you may want to update your profile to show Drupal ;-)
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