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Membership Fee PLUS Initiation Fee
October 27, 2010, 05:26:33 pm
Hey All,

We collect a one time initiation fee from all members that they only pay once when joining.  How can I add an additional, optional fee?

Ideally, when a person clicks to join, we want them to be able to pay the dues and, IF they are a first time member, pay an additional initiation/administration fee (set amount, not open amount or "contribution").

I've tried to figure it out with no luck.  About to fiddle with Contribution Price Sets.  If is works fundamentally, maybe I can just change the tag from "Contribution" to "Initiation Fee".  But don' let that stop you from chiming in if you have a solution - Thanks!!  ;D

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Re: Membership Fee PLUS Initiation Fee
October 27, 2010, 05:39:21 pm
OK - Adding a "Contribution Price Set" didn't work:

"You cannot enable both Price Set and Membership Signup on the same online contribution page."


Anybody?

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Re: Membership Fee PLUS Initiation Fee
October 28, 2010, 12:00:03 am
Would a 'life membership' option work - not sure how you could 'require' that they check this as well as the other membership but could explain it in the 'new membership' header but leave it out in the 'renew header'

actually not sure if you can purchase 2 memberships on same page but expect you can

may be worth trying
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Re: Membership Fee PLUS Initiation Fee
October 28, 2010, 04:24:36 pm
Nah - couldn't do lifetime - each one renews each year.  I WAS able to get both fees on the page with each having a radio button, BUT it would not calculate both upon checkout.  It was only adding the INITIATION FEE and not including the MEMBERSHIP Fee.  I just have to create an additional Membership Type that includes the fee.  Will mean I have to do 20 extra types and Joomla/CiviCRM are soooo slow and now members have to look down an even longer list to select their option.

Tanks for checking in and trying to help!

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Re: Membership Fee PLUS Initiation Fee
October 28, 2010, 04:30:12 pm
you may have mis understood - i was suggesting to do the 'lifetime' to just cover the 'one time initiation fee' - and use your standard memberships for the other stuff
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Re: Membership Fee PLUS Initiation Fee
October 28, 2010, 04:33:10 pm

if you are familiar with php/mysql, you can potentially use this hook:

http://wiki.civicrm.org/confluence/display/CRMDOC32/CiviCRM+hook+specification#CiviCRMhookspecification-hookcivicrmmembershipTypeValues

to add the initiation fee if you detect someone is a new member.

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mistresszhivago

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WORK AROUND FOUND: Membership Fee PLUS Initiation Fee
October 29, 2010, 03:03:52 pm
I ended up just creating extra "Membership Types" 1 says $100 and the other says $125 they just select which applies to them.

Thanks for all the help!

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Re: Membership Fee PLUS Initiation Fee
October 29, 2010, 03:34:53 pm
Just a cautionary note - not sure if i have followed this entirely, but if people are signing up for one membership type then renewing to another type you may end up with issues of 'existing' members suddenly being relabelled as 'new' etc. That may not be a concern but ...
Hence the suggestion of going for 2 memberships, so they purchase a 'lifetime' which is the 'initial registration' and a 'standard' in the first year, and then in subsequent years they just renew the 'standard'
Not trying to push you down that track - but just noticed that in setting memberships up, the problems usually only surface when it comes time for the renewals ;-)

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Re: Membership Fee PLUS Initiation Fee
October 29, 2010, 04:49:10 pm
There are (2) Membership options "Active" & "Associate".

Are you saying that if a person ORIGINALLY signs up as a NEW Member ($125), that they will automatically renew at the same $125 (even though they don't need to pay the $125 again)?

EX:

* CENTRAL REGION: Active Member (NEW MEMBER)  - $ 125.00
   Includes One-Time $25.00 Initiation Fee     

* CENTRAL REGION: Active Member (RENEWING MEMBER)  - $ 100.00


* CENTRAL REGION: Associate Member (NEW MEMBER)  - $ 75.00
   Includes One-Time $25.00 Initiation Fee     

* CENTRAL REGION: Associate Member (RENEWING MEMBER)  - $ 50.00

Is there a way for them to have a choice of renewal options? When renewal comes, I would prefer they have a choice all over again and not be renewed for the exact same thing.  Some may opt after "Active" membership to go with "Associate".

Thanks for bringing it up - never thought about it. I'm going to set one of the test account to expire tonight so I can take a look at what happens tomorrow.

Thanks again!

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Re: Membership Fee PLUS Initiation Fee
October 29, 2010, 06:52:32 pm
i believe that when you 'renew' you renew that exact membership type - so yes i think you have some issues you need to address at outset if you want people to move seamlessly between different

you can easily set up test memberships with out of date 'end dates' so you don't need to wait for them to change (provided you have the cron set up that updates membership status)
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Re: Membership Fee PLUS Initiation Fee
November 01, 2010, 09:49:08 am
So, it's not possible to offer a choice of membership types upon renewal?  It just renews the same mebership?

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Re: Membership Fee PLUS Initiation Fee
November 01, 2010, 11:01:14 am
I believe you can 'offer a choice' but if they choose one that isn't the same as there current one, then the systems says 'ah you are changing to a different membership, therefore I will start a new one for you' - after all they are not 'renewing' if it is a different one.
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Re: Membership Fee PLUS Initiation Fee
January 17, 2014, 12:06:09 pm
I worked around this issue by creating an 'Initiation' membership and a 'dues' membership.  Then I set the 'Initiation' membership to expire within a day, so if a member needed to re-initiate in a few years, we could do that.

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Re: Membership Fee PLUS Initiation Fee
January 17, 2014, 01:17:26 pm
so the user purchases 2 memberships on their first visit?

i also wondered if you could use a negative discount using the civi discount module
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Re: Membership Fee PLUS Initiation Fee
January 19, 2014, 09:12:01 am
The way my non-profit works, yea, members pay an initiation fee plus first month dues.  Then as long as they are current on their monthly dues, they won't have to 're-initiate', but if they fall behind, or drop out then want to re-join later, we can do that.

I guess we could do the 'initiation' as a 'contribution' instead of a 'membership', but I figure it would be easier to pull up both the initiation fee and monthly dues in one view if they were both 'membership types'.

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