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Already in 2010 there was a thread about this http://forum.civicrm.org/index.php/topic,13379.msg57360.html#msg57360, but still "contribution" is translated as "Spende", which is very confusing as "contribution" is "Beitrag", instead "Spende" means "donation". In this thread someone said he changed the translation to "Beitrag" and it was reverted by someone else. I don't want to play a game like this. So can we agree on "Beitrag", "Beitrag zahlen" etc. in these cases. If you sign-up for a membership, it is something else than if you donate.

The only difference is that Wikipedia has drawn their conclusion and has some protected articles and a review process. Well, in Transifex there also seems to be a review function. Maybe that can help.

Well, a contribution (Beitrag) can be a donation (Spende), but we really should use the more general term, which we do in English, so there's no good reason to use the less general and therefore often wrong term as a translation.

The ting is I have set up CiviCRM for an association, and they are not really convinced yet, because they found some flaws and bugs. Pesonally I'd rather use the English original instead of an unprofessional translation, but we need a translation at least for the front end (member sign-up profile and the like).

Yes, I second Xavier: in Transifex, you can give users the "reviewer" role (or coordinator). This "locks" the string, and only coordinators/reviewers can change it afterwards.

Also, we can dig in github.com/civicrm/l10n => po/de/contribution.po (or somewhere like that) to see exactly who made the change (although Transifex also now shows the change history). I'd recommend you contact the user, and worst case, we can downgrade their permissions.

And finally, strongly recommended to maintain and promote your glossary:
http://wiki.civicrm.org/confluence/display/CRMDOC/Translator+resources

Thanks Detlev! I was actually talking of German and not of German (Swiss), but I also checked "Inherit CMS Language", which for unknown reasons leads to German (Swiss), though I checked German, but this is overridden, even though Drupal language is set to German. The region is set to "Österreich" (Austria), because I do this site for our Austrian partner organization. Does this region setting matter? And even if: Austria is not Switzerland.

Anyway: the German localisation is much better and more complete than de-CH. I don't care if it's "Beitrag" or "Zuwendung" ("Zuwendung" may even be better), as long as it's not "Spende".

There's still one important occurence of "Spenden": The button on the sign-up profile (contribution page), which is labeled "Contribute" in en-US and de-CH, is labeled "Spenden" in de. I can't change it in Transifex, because it has the status "Geprüft"/"Reviewed". Who can change it? Apart from that all these expressions suggest that it's the final step in signing up, which it is not.

Does the de-CH localization make sense at all? There are so few differences, and words like grillieren, parkieren, pos(ch)ten probably don't matter in CiviCRM.  So I guess it's more or less only ß vs. ss and Bundesland vs. Kanton (which is also included in the de localisation). But one complete de localisation would be better than an incomplete de and a bad de-CH localisation.

When you create a new person as admin, you get to a page with a heading "Neue Individual". We have customized data which I call "Mitglied von..." which yields "Kontakte -> Neue Person -> New Mitglied von...." in the menu and "Neue Mitglied von... " in the heading of the page with the form. But at least the persons singing up don't see it, only admins, so it's not that bad as I thought.

And yes, I'm willing to contribute to the German translation, and I have already signed up in Transifex some time ago and translated several strings. And if we continue to use CiviCRM, I guess it's okay that I translate some strings during my working hours.

Cheers,
Jens

Does the de-CH localization make sense at all?

As a swiss (that likes to make fun of canadian french , let me answer that one: it makes sense as much as they want. if there is someone that wants to have DE_AT or DE_CH or FR_CA, I'm not going to argue it's right or wrong that they think they have enough differences to justify a "fork", as long as they are willing to maintain it.

For these "almost like the 'main' language but not quite" it makes sense to automatically fill the untranslated strings. The trick is to find when to change the canonical version eg DE_de) or the localised one (DE_ch). This is an exercise left to the translator...

Mathieu, how do you decide if you fix the FR_fr or the FR_ca?

Ok,

I will probably have a meetup in Geneva and of the month and another one in Paris by the end of the year. I'll check what they think and see if I can find the translators.

X+

It's way easier you do the translation in transifex (you can do it directly online)

There's still one important occurence of "Spenden": The button on the sign-up profile (contribution page), which is labeled "Contribute" in en-US and de-CH, is labeled "Spenden" in de. I can't change it in Transifex, because it has the status "Geprüft"/"Reviewed". Who can change it? Apart from that all these expressions suggest that it's the final step in signing up, which it is not.

Sorry Sorry...

I did not read for answer adequately - of course, I could change the translation, resp. I can reopen the reviewed translation.

Please tell me the exact occurence (= where to find) of the mentioned string.

How should the translation read correctly?

In general, I would translate the noun "Spende" to "Zuwendung". Since the button refers to an action, it should maybe read as "Zuwendung bestätigen". However, that's a little long, uhh?

I am waiting for your response!

In general,